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Post by nunquamus on Nov 15, 2007 13:31:22 GMT
I do think it would be useful. Just to clear this matter up. One more question - why drop the facade now? Frankly, I'm bored with it. But the DoF had a way of popping up in unexpected places, and I thought, What the hell, let's see what happens here. |
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Post by Boojum on Nov 15, 2007 18:58:09 GMT
(I've PMed Tony so hopefully we can clear up any doubts about his identity).
Tony, a few questions of my own.
1. You've stated your role on the PAF was to satirise the beliefs of the Neonazis. Which particular posts do you believe "Kornelia" has done that in?
2. Equally, if it was meant to hold up the Nazis to ridicule, how is the fact you seemingly had no intention of ever revealing the fact it was a fraud on that board compatible?
3. You've stated that no members of that board replied to the thread about a training camp. What was your plan if you did get some replies?
4. Is "Tanhari" from that board either you or someone you know?
5. Why Pan-Aryan Forum? It's a pretty obscure board and not at all widely known . What led you there in the first place?
6. If the goal was to send people up, why did "Kornelia" stop posting there as soon as it was mentioned on PN? That username has logged in there as recently as today.
7. Even if we take your word that the DoF was set up to satirise the Pagan scene as a whole, how does increasing the interest of Neonazis in British Paganism fit in with that aim?
I'll probably have more questions, but that will do for now.
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Post by nunquamus on Nov 15, 2007 19:10:39 GMT
(I've PMed Tony so hopefully we can clear up any doubts about his identity). Tony, a few questions of my own. 1. You've stated your role on the PAF was to satirise the beliefs of the Neonazis. Which particular posts do you believe "Kornelia" has done that in? 2. Equally, if it was meant to hold up the Nazis to ridicule, how is the fact you seemingly had no intention of ever revealing the fact it was a fraud on that board compatible? 3. You've stated that no members of that board replied to the thread about a training camp. What was your plan if you did get some replies? 4. Is "Tanhari" from that board either you or someone you know? 5. Why Pan-Aryan Forum? It's a pretty obscure board and not at all widely known . What led you there in the first place? 6. If the goal was to send people up, why did "Kornelia" stop posting there as soon as it was mentioned on PN? That username has logged in there as recently as today. 7. Even if we take your word that the DoF was set up to satirise the Pagan scene as a whole, how does increasing the interest of Neonazis in British Paganism fit in with that aim? I'll probably have more questions, but that will do for now. 1. It's not so much any individual post, just the idea they they were gullible enough to fall for it in the first place, and believe that there really is a DoF. 2. It was just a question of playing it by ear and seeing what happened. There were no concrete plans to do anything at all, but on past experience sooner or later it would have been exposed. 3. We have never, ever received any replies from any ad anywhere. The thought has never seriously crossed my mind that there might have been. 4. No, I have no idea who he is. 5. It was Tanhari. He started a thread about the DoF. Some time later I found it on a Google search. That's why we went there. 6. Just checking out what's going on there, that's all. 7. And vice versa. That too has been a result of this. But in any case, that board already does have a lot of self-styled Pagans on it. Nothing I have done has made them more aware of Paganism, because they were already fully aware of it. |
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Post by Boojum on Nov 15, 2007 19:27:24 GMT
What made you choose this forum to come clean on? Let's be honest, we're not exactly the largest forum out there.
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Post by nunquamus on Nov 15, 2007 19:31:36 GMT
What made you choose this forum to come clean on? Let's be honest, we're not exactly the largest forum out there. I was just getting bored with the whole thing, and have been for some time. As for why here, I was getting a little uneasy about the accusations of racism, which I assure you are untrue. |
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Post by Boojum on Nov 15, 2007 19:40:48 GMT
Will you be putting a statement on the main DoF site announcing once and all that it's a hoax?
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Post by nunquamus on Nov 15, 2007 19:43:15 GMT
Will you be putting a statement on the main DoF site announcing once and all that it's a hoax? I've already written a first draft of such a statement. It'll go up tonight or tomorrow, probably. |
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Post by David on Nov 15, 2007 23:08:04 GMT
Stormfront now has a link to this thread. Sorry, but I am bored and just want to see what happens next.
Good luck.
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Post by Boojum on Nov 15, 2007 23:44:19 GMT
Where? (Break the link please)
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Post by yewberry on Nov 16, 2007 4:03:12 GMT
Do you really want me to do that? Even considering what you just said about my personal safety? I am not the bad guy here, Rosie. You may profoundly disagree with my tactics, as I do yours, but I am definitely not what you think I am. For what it's worth, Tony, I only think you're an idiot.  Brina |
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Post by yewberry on Nov 17, 2007 0:05:36 GMT
It was someone I know who posted as Wemod. The agenda was satirical, to show Pagans up for the holier-than-though, uptight arses that most (but not all) of them are. I think it has indeed achieved this. My own involvement with the DoF began in 2002 when I invented them. I had a bored afternoon and created a website. Things cascaded from there, in ways that sometimes surprised even me. Lucky you. Getting to go around lying to people and calling them "arses" when they (surprise!) don't enjoy it. What a rarified little turd you are, Tony. Brina |
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Post by jools on Nov 20, 2007 15:44:26 GMT
What I don't understand is why, when people outed DoF as a hoax several years ago, others kept popping onto various forums to say it wasn't a hoax. Was that just all Tony's work, or is there a group of people out there getting a hard-on at how clever they are posting on pagan forums?
I don't see it. Oh, I believe DoF was made up - any group that supports physical torture as part as their rituals had to be a bit suspect. But why the psts by other people? Why the long and sometimes acrimonious threads between 'members' of DoF and others? Why wasn't there a cut off point in these discussions where someone said'OK, you found us out'.
And who was Tony trying to expose? Pagans who believed in it, or pagans who didn't? Sorry - I don't see it. What possible result could there be for all of this but unhappiness. I think it is disgusting.
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