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Post by illgrace on Nov 15, 2007 11:39:26 GMT
'White Supremacist' and 'pro Aryan' groups ARE violent yet you choose to advertise there. So, please answer my earlier question of Why you choose to recruit there knowing these are violent, racist and potentially dangerous groups? There are many, many non-violent places you could have chosen to recruit from.Also, what are these 'misunderstandings' you or your group helped clear up with the Nazi's there of which you spoke earlier?
Illgrace
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Post by nunquamus on Nov 15, 2007 11:46:36 GMT
'White Supremacist' and 'pro Aryan' groups ARE violent yet you choose to advertise there. So, please answer my earlier question of Why you choose to recruit there knowing these are violent, racist and potentially dangerous groups? There are many, many non-violent places you could have chosen to recruit from.Also, what are these 'misunderstandings' you helped clear up with the Nazi's there of which you spoke earlier? Illgrace No recruiting took place on the pro-Aryan forum, nor indeed anywhere else, because the Daughters of Frya do not exist. No one ever replied to any of the ads - who on earth would want to? Rosie - your campaign against the DoF has been the only thing that has kept this hoax going for so long, for which I thank you. Why did we go to that forum? Just to show them up for the fools that they are. They mentioned the DoF first by the way.
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Post by illgrace on Nov 15, 2007 12:04:57 GMT
How interesting! You yourself not only claimed affiliation with them, but defended them! Proof of this can be found on many forums. I didn't start threads on them! Because it went West on you and showed this group up to be bogus predators now offering training to young nazi girls - well, I'm afraid all the cheap excuses being used by you now will not put the toothpaste back in the tube. Also, you give me too much credit. What about all the Dof's sites on-line? *I* didn't put them there. Are you now saying they didn't either?
I and many other's have a screen shot of your recruiting poster you put on the 'Pan Aryan Alliance', plus one of your group posted like crazy on the forum. You don't really expect people to believe what you just said, do you? But if I were you, I'd put secure locks on my door. These people don't take kindly to people boasting, even erroneously, that you tried to make fools of them. Heh. Tell you what. Just to show you are in earnest: go back to Pan Aryan Alliance and tell them what you just told this forum. I'll watch their site for the Dof's brag about their taunts and what fools the 'Alliance' are.
If you refuse, it just puts it back in the dodge and bullshit category. Sorry, no buyers here.
Illgrace
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Post by nunquamus on Nov 15, 2007 12:09:41 GMT
How interesting! You yourself not only claimed affiliation with them, but defended them! Proof of this can be found on many forums. I didn't start threads on them! Because it went West on you and showed this group up to be bogus predators now offering training to young nazi girls - well, I'm afraid all the cheap excuses being used by you now will not put the toothpaste back in the tube. Also, you give me too much credit. What about all the Dof's sites on-line? *I* didn't put them there. Are you now saying they didn't either? I and many other's have a screen shot of your recruiting poster you put on the 'Pan Aryan Alliance', plus one of your group posted like crazy on the forum. You don't really expect people to believe what you just said, do you? But if I were you, I'd put secure locks on my door. These people don't take kindly to people boasting, even erroneously, that you tried to make fools of them. Heh. Tell you what. Just to show you are in earnest: go back to Pan Aryan Alliance and tell them what you just told this forum. I'll watch their site for the Dof's brag about their taunts and what fools the 'Alliance' is. If you refuse, it just puts it back in the dodge and bullshit category. Sorry, no buyers here. Illgrace Do you really want me to do that? Even considering what you just said about my personal safety? I am not the bad guy here, Rosie. You may profoundly disagree with my tactics, as I do yours, but I am definitely not what you think I am.
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Post by illgrace on Nov 15, 2007 12:22:09 GMT
How interesting! You yourself not only claimed affiliation with them, but defended them! Proof of this can be found on many forums. I didn't start threads on them! Because it went West on you and showed this group up to be bogus predators now offering training to young nazi girls - well, I'm afraid all the cheap excuses being used by you now will not put the toothpaste back in the tube. Also, you give me too much credit. What about all the Dof's sites on-line? *I* didn't put them there. Are you now saying they didn't either? I and many other's have a screen shot of your recruiting poster you put on the 'Pan Aryan Alliance', plus one of your group posted like crazy on the forum. You don't really expect people to believe what you just said, do you? But if I were you, I'd put secure locks on my door. These people don't take kindly to people boasting, even erroneously, that you tried to make fools of them. Heh. Tell you what. Just to show you are in earnest: go back to Pan Aryan Alliance and tell them what you just told this forum. I'll watch their site for the Dof's brag about their taunts and what fools the 'Alliance' is. If you refuse, it just puts it back in the dodge and bullshit category. Sorry, no buyers here. Illgrace Do you really want me to do that? Even considering what you just said about my personal safety? I am not the bad guy here, Rosie. You may profoundly disagree with my tactics, as I do yours, but I am definitely not what you think I am. Then you made an empty reply, not meant to be taken seriously. You are admitting what you wrote previously was not true. Well, no surprise there. No matter, what you wrote will find it's way there anyway and then you can talk to those you advertised with. Nobody here needs do a thing. I'm already on their shit-list. Now you are as well. But as long as one is not a coward and has the back-up of others and the courage of their own convictions, as I do,I feel no fear. If I were you, I'd get some. And I will be checking their forum for your group laughing at them and calling them fools. Because if you don't, then your group was lying before and now you are admitting it. Damned if you do and damned if you don't , Tony. Someday you will learn not to play with fire. I think most people pretty well know by the kind of things you've posted 'what' you are. I certainly do. Now it's nearly dawn here and I've no inclination to exchange banter with your kind. Illgrace
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Post by Alistair on Nov 15, 2007 12:24:49 GMT
Tony - why don't you just put together a statement that details your historical and present involvement with the DoF and also your opinion of the whole of this recent interest in them?
To start, here are some straight questions:
Was it you or someone you know who posted on PN as Wemod?
Was there an agenda behind this that was either satirical or intended to reveal some kind of truth about the current Pagan scene?
What was this intended to achieve?
What do you think it has achieved?
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Post by nunquamus on Nov 15, 2007 12:26:23 GMT
Then you made an empty reply, not meant to be taken seriously. You are admitting what you wrote previously was not true. Well, no surprise there. No matter, what you wrote will find it's way there anyway and then you can talk to those you advertised with. Nobody here needs do a thing. I'm already on their shit-list. Now you are as well. But as long as one is not a coward and has the back-up of others and the courage of their own convictions, as I do,I feel no fear. If I were you, I'd get some. And I will be checking their forum for your group laughing at them and calling them fools. I think most people pretty well know by the kind of things you've posted 'what' you are. I certainly do. Now it's nearly dawn here and I've no inclination to exchange banter with your kind. Illgrace You think you know me, but you don't know me at all. The DoF has been nothing but a send-up, from beginning to end. A send-up, first, of the modern Pagan movement, and later of anyone who takes such rubbish as the Oera Linda Book seriously.
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Post by nunquamus on Nov 15, 2007 12:31:37 GMT
Tony - why don't you just put together a statement that details your historical and present involvement with the DoF and also your opinion of the whole of this recent interest in them? To start, here are some straight questions: Was it you or someone you know who posted on PN as Wemod? Was there an agenda behind this that was either satirical or intended to reveal some kind of truth about the current Pagan scene? What was this intended to achieve? What do you think it has achieved? It was someone I know who posted as Wemod. The agenda was satirical, to show Pagans up for the holier-than-though, uptight arses that most (but not all) of them are. I think it has indeed achieved this. My own involvement with the DoF began in 2002 when I invented them. I had a bored afternoon and created a website. Things cascaded from there, in ways that sometimes surprised even me.
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Post by Alistair on Nov 15, 2007 12:37:08 GMT
What about the Water Witches book? How seriously should this be taken?
I admit I haven't read it all the way through, but have browsed it in a shop. It seemed... dodgy.
Was it supposed to be?
Also - how do we know that the person posting here as Nunquamas is actually Tony? Has anyone thought of that?
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Post by nunquamus on Nov 15, 2007 12:39:55 GMT
What about the Water Witches book? How seriously should this be taken? I admit I haven't read it all the way through, but have browsed it in a shop. It seemed... dodgy. Was it supposed to be? Also - how do we know that the person posting here as Nunquamas is actually Tony? Has anyone thought of that? Water Witches contains a lot of the material we used in the OAM training programme. In the tradition of Sanders, Gardner, Mathers, etc., it was wrapped up in a fictional setting.
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Post by Alistair on Nov 15, 2007 12:55:16 GMT
Okay. Now how do we know you're actually Tony and not someone who is trying to confuse things even further?
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Post by nunquamus on Nov 15, 2007 12:56:30 GMT
Okay. Now how do we know you're actually Tony and not someone who is trying to confuse things even further? I don't know how to answer that one I'm afraid. Have you ever met me, that you know of?
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Post by Alistair on Nov 15, 2007 13:02:10 GMT
Also - was Jon Day aware that Water Witches was partially fictional?
As for checking who you are - what I'd suggest is the co-operation of one of the moderators - Boojum, perhaps.
You could send them a Private Message containing a checkword or phrase from this registered account on this board, and also requesting an email address from them. Then send it from an email address that you've used in the past, which is associated with one of your other websites, or which is available publicly.
That's a bit cloak and dagger, but it should be sufficient.
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Post by nunquamus on Nov 15, 2007 13:09:00 GMT
Also - was Jon Day aware that Water Witches was partially fictional? As for checking who you are - what I'd suggest is the co-operation of one of the moderators - Boojum, perhaps. You could send them a Private Message containing a checkword or phrase from this registered account on this board, and also requesting an email address from them. Then send it from an email address that you've used in the past, which is associated with one of your other websites, or which is available publicly. That's a bit cloak and dagger, but it should be sufficient. In Water Witches I stated at one point that certain parts were not necessarily true. I admit though that I'd probably do it differently now. I cringe sometimes when I read it, if I ever have to. Mostly for the language (I didn't even have a spell-checker back in the mid-90s). If you think all that cloak-and-dagger stuff will be useful, then Boojum is free to PM me with the details.
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Post by Alistair on Nov 15, 2007 13:22:24 GMT
I do think it would be useful. Just to clear this matter up.
One more question - why drop the facade now?
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