Post by Boojum on Nov 23, 2007 1:37:00 GMT
Who are Woden's Folk?[/u]
Woden's Folk are a folkish Heathen movement based in the UK. They are also undoubtably fascists. They run both the religious group and a political movement called "The English Movement". To illustrate this groups politics, I am going to quote from both the main Woden's Folk and the English Movement websites.
Quotes from the Woden's Folk website
This land - England - has changed beyond belief in the last 60 years. Today we are "blessed" with the multi-racial society, made up of different "communities" all vying for a slice of the cake, and all claiming their own "rights". Outside of this - and completely left out - are the English who have prior claim to this land. We cannot blame anyone but ourselves, for had the people of this land had the guts (and the intelligence) to oppose this imposition, then today's England would be vastly different. Today the flood-gates are open and anyone seems to be able to get in; there are no checks on criminal gangs, on disease and virus-carriers which means a future of crime, vice, and epidemics unknown to us before.
What we need to start with is to understand that the English are a kind of being that exists with its own particular Race-Soul; this is part of the Race-Soul of the Germanic Race. The English are an integral part of a whole. It is thus futile to break ourselves from our Germanic Roots, no matter what two devastating world wars have done to cause a great split with our own kinfolk. These two world wars, caused by forces seeking the total destruction of our Folk-Group, have caused the English to deny their true roots - a form of "guilt" imposed upon us like the "Original Sin" of Judaeo-Christianity. This type of guilt complex causes a distortion in the Folk-Soul, and thus the decay of a people.
The policy of multiracialism is today presented as the ideal, the criticism of which is seen to be the greatest crime anyone can commit. Whatever may be said either way, it is a policy that furthers the ambition of Occult Forces, and moreover, is in accord with the program to create a World State.
(All these quotes are from the main Woden's Folk website at http://www .wodensfolk.org.uk/wodensfolk.htm)
Quotes from the English Movement Website[/b]
(To remind people, this group is the same people as Woden's Folk. It's just their political wing).
The twin prongs of the forces that oppress us today are the Cult of Gold (Capitalism) and the Cult of the Masses (Socialism). Thes two were forged together into a working whole, since the powers of money cannot do without the consumer masses, and the consumer masses cannot do without the massive global companies that supply their needs. They are both two sides of the same coin - as was pointed out by the wisest of men over the last few decades and beyond.
The English Movement was set up to protect and promote the English Identity and to help to preserve our English Culture and English Tradition. But above all our highest aim is to preserve the English Folk as a part of the Germanic Race and the White Race. The aim of promoting an English Identity is to get out to those prepared to listen, and to attract to ourselves those who wish to act in some way to help the survival of our Folk.
(Quotes taken from http:// www.englishmovement.org.uk/)
Third Positionism
I'm going to do a brief summary of what this is, because it's crucial to understanding the politics of Woden's Folk. Third positionism is a strand of neo-fascism that seeks to find a "third way" between capitalism and communism. It's main ideological influences are people like the Strasser brothers and Julias Evola. (Evola is probably the single biggest influence on fascist paganism). Third positionists call for racial separation and often look towards a pre-industrial past. They show more of an interest in enviromental issues than traditional fascism does. Nick Griffin, leader of the BNP, was heavily involved in a third postitionist faction within the National Front (called "The Offical National Front"). This group was set up in the late 70's and gained control of the NF in 1983. In 1989 this group split and Griffin left (with Derek Holland) to form the Strasserite International Third Position.
Troy Southgate[/u]
Troy Southgate is worth looking at here, as he's a confirmed member of Woden's Folk. Southgate started his political career in 1984, in the National Front. He stayed in the NF till 1989, where he was one of the people who left to join the previously mentioned ITP. He then split from the ITP in 1998, to form the National Revolutionary Faction, which he said was
a hardline revolutionary organisation based on an underground cell-structure similar to that used by both the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) and the IRA
It is my belief that the NRF is defunct, though that's never been stated offically. Certainly, in 2005 he wrote three pages for the BNP magazine 'Identity', despite having previously denounced them as Tories. This may have been an attempt to promote his new group "New Right", which he'd launched earlier in the year, with the stated aim of uniting the British right. (Considering Southgate's political ancestry I suspect he isn't talking about mainstream conservatism there). Southgate's interest in 'alternative' subcultures isn't a new developement- he's always had an interest in spirtuality and has written extensively on industrial music. He's also the main figure in the "National Anarchism" movement on which see here- www.greenanarchy.org/index.php?action=viewwritingdetail&writingId=150 It is confirmed that Southgate was one of the people at the Long Man protest.
Lee Barnes[/b]
On this Stormfront thread- http://www. stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=107814 "Vidar" mentions he's a member of Woden's Folk. That's actually a nom de guerre for Lee Barnes, the BNP's "independent legal advisor". He also writes a regular column for the BNP website- http://www. bnp.org.uk/columnists/brimstone1.php
Tanhari
Some of you will remember our friend Tanhari (the "esoteric National Socialist") from the DoF thread. He's at it again, posting on the protest- http://www .panaryan.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4007 From what I can tell, he's pretty close to Woden's Folk. This is pure speculation, but I suspect that Tanhari may well be Southgate himself. Both the areas of interest and the writing styles are similar.
The Odinic Rite connection[/b]
The Odinic Rite are a seperate group, but one that seems to have close links with Woden's Folk. That's not entirely a surprise, Odinic Rite are undoubtably folkish. (I may come back to them in more detail at some point).
"Wulf", the webmaster of the Woden's Folk website claims to have been a member of Odinic Rite previously. And the two groups seem to be on good terms. This is from a Woden's Folk statement cited in Tanhari's post:
We would like to thank all those who offered help, including the Odinic Rite who helped to publicise this amongst their folk.
That doesn't sound like Wulf was thrown out of the OR for being a fascist to me.
Woden's Folk are a folkish Heathen movement based in the UK. They are also undoubtably fascists. They run both the religious group and a political movement called "The English Movement". To illustrate this groups politics, I am going to quote from both the main Woden's Folk and the English Movement websites.
Quotes from the Woden's Folk website
This land - England - has changed beyond belief in the last 60 years. Today we are "blessed" with the multi-racial society, made up of different "communities" all vying for a slice of the cake, and all claiming their own "rights". Outside of this - and completely left out - are the English who have prior claim to this land. We cannot blame anyone but ourselves, for had the people of this land had the guts (and the intelligence) to oppose this imposition, then today's England would be vastly different. Today the flood-gates are open and anyone seems to be able to get in; there are no checks on criminal gangs, on disease and virus-carriers which means a future of crime, vice, and epidemics unknown to us before.
What we need to start with is to understand that the English are a kind of being that exists with its own particular Race-Soul; this is part of the Race-Soul of the Germanic Race. The English are an integral part of a whole. It is thus futile to break ourselves from our Germanic Roots, no matter what two devastating world wars have done to cause a great split with our own kinfolk. These two world wars, caused by forces seeking the total destruction of our Folk-Group, have caused the English to deny their true roots - a form of "guilt" imposed upon us like the "Original Sin" of Judaeo-Christianity. This type of guilt complex causes a distortion in the Folk-Soul, and thus the decay of a people.
The policy of multiracialism is today presented as the ideal, the criticism of which is seen to be the greatest crime anyone can commit. Whatever may be said either way, it is a policy that furthers the ambition of Occult Forces, and moreover, is in accord with the program to create a World State.
(All these quotes are from the main Woden's Folk website at http://www .wodensfolk.org.uk/wodensfolk.htm)
Quotes from the English Movement Website[/b]
(To remind people, this group is the same people as Woden's Folk. It's just their political wing).
The twin prongs of the forces that oppress us today are the Cult of Gold (Capitalism) and the Cult of the Masses (Socialism). Thes two were forged together into a working whole, since the powers of money cannot do without the consumer masses, and the consumer masses cannot do without the massive global companies that supply their needs. They are both two sides of the same coin - as was pointed out by the wisest of men over the last few decades and beyond.
The English Movement was set up to protect and promote the English Identity and to help to preserve our English Culture and English Tradition. But above all our highest aim is to preserve the English Folk as a part of the Germanic Race and the White Race. The aim of promoting an English Identity is to get out to those prepared to listen, and to attract to ourselves those who wish to act in some way to help the survival of our Folk.
(Quotes taken from http:// www.englishmovement.org.uk/)
Third Positionism
I'm going to do a brief summary of what this is, because it's crucial to understanding the politics of Woden's Folk. Third positionism is a strand of neo-fascism that seeks to find a "third way" between capitalism and communism. It's main ideological influences are people like the Strasser brothers and Julias Evola. (Evola is probably the single biggest influence on fascist paganism). Third positionists call for racial separation and often look towards a pre-industrial past. They show more of an interest in enviromental issues than traditional fascism does. Nick Griffin, leader of the BNP, was heavily involved in a third postitionist faction within the National Front (called "The Offical National Front"). This group was set up in the late 70's and gained control of the NF in 1983. In 1989 this group split and Griffin left (with Derek Holland) to form the Strasserite International Third Position.
Troy Southgate[/u]
Troy Southgate is worth looking at here, as he's a confirmed member of Woden's Folk. Southgate started his political career in 1984, in the National Front. He stayed in the NF till 1989, where he was one of the people who left to join the previously mentioned ITP. He then split from the ITP in 1998, to form the National Revolutionary Faction, which he said was
a hardline revolutionary organisation based on an underground cell-structure similar to that used by both the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) and the IRA
It is my belief that the NRF is defunct, though that's never been stated offically. Certainly, in 2005 he wrote three pages for the BNP magazine 'Identity', despite having previously denounced them as Tories. This may have been an attempt to promote his new group "New Right", which he'd launched earlier in the year, with the stated aim of uniting the British right. (Considering Southgate's political ancestry I suspect he isn't talking about mainstream conservatism there). Southgate's interest in 'alternative' subcultures isn't a new developement- he's always had an interest in spirtuality and has written extensively on industrial music. He's also the main figure in the "National Anarchism" movement on which see here- www.greenanarchy.org/index.php?action=viewwritingdetail&writingId=150 It is confirmed that Southgate was one of the people at the Long Man protest.
Lee Barnes[/b]
On this Stormfront thread- http://www. stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=107814 "Vidar" mentions he's a member of Woden's Folk. That's actually a nom de guerre for Lee Barnes, the BNP's "independent legal advisor". He also writes a regular column for the BNP website- http://www. bnp.org.uk/columnists/brimstone1.php
Tanhari
Some of you will remember our friend Tanhari (the "esoteric National Socialist") from the DoF thread. He's at it again, posting on the protest- http://www .panaryan.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4007 From what I can tell, he's pretty close to Woden's Folk. This is pure speculation, but I suspect that Tanhari may well be Southgate himself. Both the areas of interest and the writing styles are similar.
The Odinic Rite connection[/b]
The Odinic Rite are a seperate group, but one that seems to have close links with Woden's Folk. That's not entirely a surprise, Odinic Rite are undoubtably folkish. (I may come back to them in more detail at some point).
"Wulf", the webmaster of the Woden's Folk website claims to have been a member of Odinic Rite previously. And the two groups seem to be on good terms. This is from a Woden's Folk statement cited in Tanhari's post:
We would like to thank all those who offered help, including the Odinic Rite who helped to publicise this amongst their folk.
That doesn't sound like Wulf was thrown out of the OR for being a fascist to me.
